French Standards Marans in USA

Just a few of the birds from littlepeddler's marans in USA.

Thanks a lot brenda !! beautiful bird !!

The american standard is the same like french ???

if no, what's the differences ??

Hey Bantam, the Us is trying to get the marans accepted into the APA here. American poultry Association. Our us standard. Only problem being is that the group that is trying to get it done, with great effort, presenting birds that may not adhere to the French Standards. Couple of issues such as wheather they have feathered shanks and the degree of the tail. Which the French Standard is very strick of. The Marans of America Club has no concern wheather gets accepted or not. It's not worth being accepted if they are not represnt the origin of the breed and county they come from.

Brenda

littlepeddler a écrit:

Hey Bantam, the Us is trying to get the marans accepted into the APA here. American poultry Association. Our us standard. Only problem being is that the group that is trying to get it done, with great effort, presenting birds that may not adhere to the French Standards. Couple of issues such as wheather they have feathered shanks and the degree of the tail. Which the French Standard is very strick of. The Marans of America Club has no concern wheather gets accepted or not. It's not worth being accepted if they are not represnt the origin of the breed and county they come from.

Brenda

Traduction:

Apparemment ils ont des difficultés à faire reconnaitre les sujets Marans qu'ils ont auprès de l'association américaine de la volaille (APA) car elles ne correspondent pas réellement au standard de son pays d'origine !!


Answer>> You have to import eggs and after select a max !!! french people can help you but do you have some contacts with wyandotte farmers !!!

Well we are not so lucky. We cant inport eggs to the USA. So there lies the problem with the blood lines. Some breeders fear losing the french straits due to that as well.

???

What we really need is a marans farmers who is willing to work wit us in the US to see what it takes to get eggs imported legally?

Yes y understand littlepeddler,

We try with this forum to find a legal solution to send you eggs, y don't how to make this ???


may be one person can answer you (y hope!!) :cheers:

Ciao, de retour en ligne, j'étais en déplacement...
je vais regarder ce que je peux faire....

Hi littlepeddler, I gonna see what we can do for finding a legal solution to send egg in the us...

Oh that would be wonderful Kenjiro. If we just had one person over there to get it started. It is just a shame that our french standards have to evolve into the USA standards because we can't get new blood. Write me in email or pm if you need to .

It would be wonderful brenda to have here (register) more american breeders for the other breeds :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

no pb, I will send you a private mail a.s.a.p.

A friend of mine is Marans NC breeder, I've got some roosters and hens from him, wonderful 'pieces' ^_____^

I gonna check the US, French & EU customs' website to have more information... there are many declarations and inspections to do such a thing if I am right... I will contact Customs and Border protection ti have more info... could you please send me a link with the Us standards ??? other question, how many eggs ? for which state ?

Pour les autres, il y a un petit souci concernant la reconnaissance du standard français par rapport à celui américan... et donc pour renouveler le sang aussi... je vais regarder les conditions d'importations pour les USA d'oeufs fécondés à partir de France et d'Europe...
Je vais prendre contact avec le services des douanes pour plus d'informations...
à plus tard...

Well so far we have no standards set here in the US. They are trying now to get them approved.
There are only a couple of flaws with the tail and whether feathered shanks is an option. The tail can be at a 60 degree and some say. But the Marans of America Club ( not to be confused with the group that is trying to get them approved) does not care about getting the approved for just having the french standards adhered to is what we feel is most important. But the problem lies with the blood. We can't get new blood and our imported line is getting to be close to 2 - 3 years old. I fugure it is just a matter of time until we start seeing flaws and infertility.

I personal will take about 2 dozen eggs here in Arkansas at this time.

Kenjiro,

Il serait intéressant de créer un sujet sur le forum sur l'import/export d'oeufs fécondés et l'ensemble des conditions qui permettent de faire des transactions.

1 Conditionnement
2 Cout du transport >> Droits de douanes ect..
et toutes infos légales nécessaire de manière à ce que les échanges se fassent en totale légalité.

Merci

littlepeddler a écrit:

Well so far we have no standards set here in the US. They are trying now to get them approved.
There are only a couple of flaws with the tail and whether feathered shanks is an option. The tail can be at a 60 degree and some say. But the Marans of America Club ( not to be confused with the group that is trying to get them approved) does not care about getting the approved for just having the french standards adhered to is what we feel is most important. But the problem lies with the blood. We can't get new blood and our imported line is getting to be close to 2 - 3 years old. I fugure it is just a matter of time until we start seeing flaws and infertility.

I personal will take about 2 dozen eggs here in Arkansas at this time.

Ok, how many people do you have in your Club ??? and do you have show ??

I'll send you a response in a PM Bantam.
brenda

It's ok brenda

Y think y understand what's happening !!

Hello from Tennessee, USA. :couc:

Yes, Brenda's Club is the only one adhering to the French standard. I have a trio from one of the other clubs and two roosters from another. I am NOT happy with any of these birds. I see the problems with importing. I don't understand why they are this way. They claim to not spread disease and other things but with the US's borders wide open I do not see why the concern other than the US wants a lot of money for the permits. It's un-necessary other than what I said. It all boils down to money. :roll:

Some of you know me from The French Marans forum. I have raised Marans going on 5 years now. My main Flocks of Marans are not American bred. 8) The others I mentioned above are kept separate. :lol:

Merci...Lynne


Traduction:

Bonjour de la part de Tennessee, États-Unis. : couc:


Oui, Brenda's Club est le seul à adhérer à la norme française.
J'ai un trio de l'un des autres clubs et deux coqs de l'autre. Je ne
suis pas heureux avec l'un de ces oiseaux. Je vois les problèmes de
l'importation. Je ne comprends pas pourquoi ils sont de cette manière.
Ils affirment ne pas propager la maladie et d'autres choses, mais avec
les Etats-Unis, les frontières grandes ouvertes, je ne vois pas
pourquoi les préoccupations autres que les Etats-Unis veulent beaucoup
d'argent pour les permis. Il est inutile d'autre que ce que j'ai dit.
Il revient à l'argent. : roll:

Certains d'entre vous me connaissent le français à partir de
Marans forum. J'ai soulevé Marans aller sur 5 ans. Ma principale de
Marans troupeaux ne sont pas de race américaine. 8) Les autres que j'ai
mentionnés ci-dessus sont séparés

Bonjour à tous,

je travaille sur la question import/export, je vais mettre tout ça en ligne dans la journée...
je m'excuse de ne pas être revenu hier soir mais, dans le coin on est innoné avec tout ce qui est tombé durant les derniers jours, il y a un vent terrible dans le Pays Haut, et j'ai une partie du toit de mon poulailler qui voulait se faire la belle...

pour l'importation, il faudrait donc qu'un éleveur ait tous les certificats français et européens, ensuite, il faut contacter les douanes américaines ainsi que leurs Services de Portection Sanitaire, qui enverra une équipe de 5 personnes mini, dans le pays du demandeur, afin de contrôler l'installation et si cela est conforme aux standards américans, ils délivrent une autorisation d'importation, mais ils faut ensuite que les oeufs aux autres produits vivants répondent encore à d'autres normes une fois arrivés sur leur territoire...
il faut voir aussi les conditions sanitaires des animaux, sans oublir aussi la grippe aviaire... de plus il faut prendre aussi en considération le transport. si les oeufs voyagent en soute, je ne pense pas que des petits en sorte, on a beau me dire que l'embryon résiste jusqu'à 2°... ça réduit considérablement les chances d'éclosion...

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hi everybody,

I am working on the subject import/export, I will edit what I found on line later today…
I apologise if I didn't come back yesterday evening on the forum but here in the county we have a flood probleme because of the driving rain of the last days, there is also a terrible wind in the "Heck Land", and I have also a part of my hen house roof which wanted to go for a walk...

for the import/Export stuff, it is necessary for the breeder to have in addition to all National French and European certificates, the US border & Health Protection service certificates... which allow him to be eligible... for importing eggs and poultry derivates...
the appropriate services will send an inspection team, in the applicant's country in order to control his/her installation and if it's correspond to the US standards, they will deliver an importation authorization, necessery for eggs or poultry products, and once arrived on their territory…there will be other controls... it is also necessary to see the sanitary arrangements of the animals, don't forget diseases and especially bird flu ! ! !
Moreover, if such an authorization is obtained, what's for the eggs' hatching ! ! ! the more an egg is moved, the more chances we have that the egg will not hatch...

Anyway, as soon as I will receive the information I asked to the administration, I will transmit them...

Now, I've to see my 'monsters'... I come back this afternoon....

Hello everyone how are you all doing? Spring is on the way !!!
Still working on trying to keep my lines within the French Standards.
brenda

Il serait sympa d'aider littlepeddler à s'intégrer parmis nous !!

Elle ne parle pas le français mais elle est très sympathique!!

Merci à vous!!

I may not speak the language but I can still share the love.
lol

So I guess Kenj is saying that if we don't spend 1000.00 of dollars we aren't getting any new blood for our beloved birds. What a shame. See that's not really right. But I guess we have to adhere to the USA laws. But we can still hop some day they change befor our birds die out.


Traduction
Alors,
je suppose Kenj dit que si nous ne faisons pas passer de 1.000,00
dollars, nous ne sommes pas avoir de sang neuf pour notre bien-aimé
oiseaux. Quelle honte. Voir ce n'est pas vraiment droit. Mais je pense
que nous devons respecter les lois des États-Unis. Mais nous pouvons
encore hop un jour ils changent avant nos oiseaux meurent.

Do you find a solution to import eggs Brenda ??? (transport!!)

It seems I have found out that one of the other Marans clubs has done a big no no to French Standards. What they are trying to get approved to the APA are mixed Mutts. I have a Trio of Copper Blacks. The rooster has a Penedeseca comb!

On the note of importing. I am checking on it from this end. I did get a gift in the mail. lol

Well if we are going to do it and get some new blood in here I want to do it right. Even if it means a longer process.

littlepeddler a écrit:

Well if we are going to do it and get some new blood in here I want to do it right. Even if it means a longer process.

Yes, we are all in the same barn. :qhdiuf:

wonderful !!! so nice !!!! :qhdiuf:

Does anyone breed white bearded silkies and can ship them to Italy?

littlepeddler a écrit:

Does anyone breed white bearded silkies and can ship them to Italy?

See with Moroseta, may be she could help you just do it

Hi littlepeddler!!

Do you find egg ???

No silkies.....but don't need them now. But thanks .
Brenda :qhdiuf:

littlepeddler a écrit:

No silkies.....but don't need them now. But thanks .
Brenda :qhdiuf:

Whaou!!!

Brenda is a beautiful girl!!!...come with us like you want, you're welcome to speak american's breeding !!

allo ?

new pullet at 3 months old. Still waiting for more copper to show up in the hackles.
Brenda :qhdiuf:

Thanks brenda !!

Does your club organizes shows in the United States and if so did you get pictures to show us ???

Thanks and french !!

Well Bantam, there is a story behind all of that. Yes one
club shows here in the US
because they are trying to get the Black Copper Marans approved with the
APA (America Poultry Association) here. I do not think we are personally
ready to submit the Black Copper to the APA because they are just not ready
right now. So that doesn't set too much with many breeders. I'm sure you
have heard of the big controversy. Who hasn't? I just try and stay out of it. lol So trust me they sure won’t send
me any pictures of the show birds. But one never knows I may show some
day. But as it stands right now......I don't



Brenda :qhdiuf:

Until we get new Black Copper marans blood here in the US the gene pool is rather destined to start turning out more and more non-french standard birds.

So Sad........ :qhdiuf:

I understand and congratulations on your fight that will one day to recognize the Black Copper Marans.

Did you contact with other clubs to breed in the United States?

And if yes it would be a pleasure to speak with us !! :qhdiuf:

Bantam there are no other clubs for marans other than Marans of America Club that I am associated with. Seems like I'm a conflict of interest and have been refused membership. I don't deal with any other kinds of breeds so I have no really have no reason to join other clubs. But I guess I could check into it for you and get some pics.

Like I don't have enough to do already lol Just kidding.
I love a challenge.
Brenda :qhdiuf:

You're a challenger !!!.. :1/10:

How many chicken do you have ???

And where's David Hancox (blackdotte)???

It would be a pleasure to speak with him in english !!!...and see Australian's bird !!!

If you can tell him y enjoy ggkuygk