colour genes planning diagram

On demand of Bantam I puted the most important "colour" genes in a PLANNING DIAGRAM.
It is the way I see the working of these genes.
Can you agree with it?

http://zijdehoenders.googlepages.com/planningdiagram

Bravo, très bon travail !
Reste à le traduire en Français ! :

qui, cela ne peut pas être si beaucoup de travaille!
Ci il y a de l'interesse pour cela?
Qui est interesser?

Très bien Danny !!

Je suis intéressé par la traduction mais je manque de temps et cela ne va pas s'arranger car je démarre prochainement (sans doute le 9 mars) une formation approfondie sur 6 mois pour la Création de sites web (e-marketer, webmestre, infographie, gestion de contenu ect...)

Je verrais avec l'entreprise avec laquelle je vais travailler si nous pouvons mettre en place des outils qui permettent d'éffectuer ces traductions dans toutes les langues.

Néanmoins si quelqu'un peut aider Danny je n'ai rien contre (peut etre nègre soie 44>>Florent) :

Je suis d'accord pour traduire ton diagramme Danny.

Oké, thank you very much Avicol'fan. This must be done by a person originaly Frenchman to use the exact right words also the genetic terms I intend.

Un grand merci à tout ceux qui traduisent pour les non-anglophone comme moi :boulet:

Planning colour genes diagram



We try to explain in a simple way how to breed colour variations, keeping in mind the working of the most important colour genes!



All our chickens have a alleles of the "E-locus" who is based on the "S-locus".

They can be transformed in different phenotypes by "transformer" genes.



Everything started with the "Bankiva" colouration.

(all genes are present with there original alleles, marked with a "+").

Simpely said a total mix of "red/black" (the only 2 existing colour pigments).



For now we know 4 important mutations of the e+ allele (alleles without that "+").

Those alleles can be of the original e+ or mutant alleles of this allele,

E, ER, eWh, eb. They can be pure (homozygote) or unpure (heterozygote).

(with a Capital normaly dominant over those without a capital who are recessive).



Those 4 different basic phenotypes can be based on gold or on silver

The chickens can have the s+ (gold) or S (silver) or both alleles (only if a cock)

Because this is a sex-linked gene the hens are s+/- (pure gold) or S/- (pure Silver).

(the hen is hemyzigote for the S gene because she have only one allele of it).



There are also a lot of other ("transformer") genes with different alleles.

Those can transform the original phenotype (that of the bankiva and is 4 mutants) in other phenotypes.(also here dominant and recessive alleles, also those genes can be homozigote, heterozigote or hemyzigote (for the sex-linked genes).



These basic based genes can be diluted.

Bl, lav, Di, ig, Cb.



These basic based genes can be patterned.

B, mo, Pg, Db, Co.



These basic based genes can be changed.

I-Id-Is, choc, c, mz, cha.



All of them can also be reinforced.

Mh, Ml.

for the complete diagram see: http://zijdehoenders.googlepages.com/planningdiagram

Where do you class Ap/AP Danny ??

Sorry but what is AP/AP??
I talk in this diagram about the most important frequent genes to keep everything as simple and understandable for everybody.

Ap is the 'Autosomal Phaeomelanin'!!

aiaiaiai.
The point of discussion!!!!
You call it Ap "Autosomal phaeomelanin".
In English and Flemish the Ar "Autosomal red" or "Autosomaal rood".
In Italiano Ra "Rosso autosomico".
I even called it the Sr "Salmon red".

When you look at the bottom of the page of the diagram you see a link to "red leftovers"

But you can dirrectly take a look at this:
http://zijdehoenders.googlepages.com/genotypes2
or this:
http://zijdehoenders.googlepages.com/autosomalred

After reading this you will see there is no concensus about this "trouble maker"!!!

So Bantam you tell me what it is and whare we shall put it???

Y don't know Danny where we could put it !!!

but we have to considerate this gene and the effects.

Until now I could find nothing about this "gene".
I found different explanations about the effect this "autosomal red" (can) have!
It is autosomal = on both sexes.
It is independent for the working of Silver.
But is this a "gene"??
possible explanation I wrote down in the above links.
-can it be the effect of e+ or EWh Salmon red reinforced by Mh? Is not sure!
-can not be the effect of s+ gold reinforced by Mh because it is visible on S/S and S/-!
-can not be the effect of Mh alone because Mh is a reinforcer that need some kind (any kind) of red to reinforce!
-..............
So bantam tell me were I can find writing about what you call here a "gene Ap/Ap"? study

C'est difficile Danny car il y a trop peu de recul sur le rouge autosome !!

Oké, that is what I intend.
But that it exist is a fact aswell as the "unwanted red leftovers" in our "pure Silver birds".
So I think that we NOT can "class" it in the diagram because too little is know about it.
The best way to keep it in side is the separated link I puted in the bottom.
Can you agree with that Bantam??

Yes Danny,

super